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Лучшее время Супры на Северной петле не 7:49, а 7:21! Данный результат был установлен в 1997 году журналом Автокар (Номер 12/1997, водитель Stephen Sutcliffe) на 650 сильной Супре и это в корне меняет дело! А вот время 7:49 было установлено при участии фирмы Blitz и водитель был Herbert Schьrg.

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Вот таблица:

Nordschleife exluding GP track 20.6 kms:
7:01 --- 176.152 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 race car, 493 hp (2004), >>> http://www.manthey-motors.de/nextsho...pdf.asp?id=217
7:10 --- 173.100 km/h -- BMW M3 GTR, 450 hp/1350 kg, Jцrg Mьller (practice 24hrs race 2003)
7:12 --- 173.600 km/h – Radical SR3 Turbo race car, 320 hp/500 kgs (test drive 07/2003)
7:12.25 173.500 km/h – Schnitzer BMW M3 GTR, Dirk Mьller, 24 hrs practice 2002
7:18.01 169.311 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 hp/670 kg, M. Dьchting, sport auto 12/2004, http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThr...fID=2&tID=13957
7:19 --- 168.929 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo (2003), >>> http://www.radicalmotorsport.com/news_fold...liefe/index.php
7:20* -- 168.545 km/h -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, 500hp, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 2003) *estimated
7:21 --- 168.163 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 650 PS (Autocar magazine 1997)
7:25 --- 168.651 km/h -- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Rцhrl,(Autobild July 2004)
7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time by Horst Von Saurma (sport auto)
7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 2001) >>> http://www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 hp, Michelin Sport Cup R , Mattias Ekblom
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Rцhrl (2002)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche GT3 RS, stock but Pirelli P Zero Corsa, Mattias Ekblom, ams
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/2003)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig (Autobild 07/2004)
7:41 --- 160.868 km/h – Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/2004) >>> http://www.manthey-motors.de/nextsho...pdf.asp?id=217
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa, 2004 (according to dailysportscar.net)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3 (2002)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- TechArt Porsche GT Street, 620 hp/1453 kg, (sport auto 08/2002)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Rцhrl (MOTOR Magazine)
7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 2002)
7:44 --- 159.828 km/h -- Pagani Zonda C12 S, 580 hp/1820 kg (sport auto 07/2002)
7:45 --- 159.484 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600, 600hp (2000)
7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- McLaren F1, *estimated lap time from a video available at >>> www.pistonheads.tv
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT2, 462 hp/1450 kg (sport auto 06/2001)
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Jaguar XJ220, John Walton (EVO magzine 07/200), >>> http://www.jwhubbers.nl/ring/docs/evo-0007-7.jpg
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652hp (sport auto 1999)
7:47 --- 158.801 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381hp (sport auto 03/2004)
7.49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche GT3, 392hp (AutoBild 2004) http://www.autobild.de/tuning/testberichte...artikel_seite=4
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 hp/1207 kg (sport auto 02/1999)
7:49.72 157.885 km/h -- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne 1993 (moto bike)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- BMW E46 M3 CSL (sport auto 08/2003)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 750hp, Herbert Schьrg (1997)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 hp/1450 kg (sport auto 06/2002)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h – Westfield Super 7 with Hayabusa engine, >>> http://nurburgring.free.fr/Vids/Bren_Westi...vx504_1_350.avi
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h – BMW M5 (E60), 507 hp, >>> http://www.rhein-main.net/sixcms/detail.ph...topic_id=731907
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (sport auto 1995)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (sport auto 12/2003)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/2004)
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h – Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582bhp/1678kg, (sport auto 03/2005), >>> http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThr...fID=2&tID=27415
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche GT3 (996) (2003)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h -- Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/2000)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 hp/1387 kg (sport auto 02/2004)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 hp/1569 kg (sport auto 06/2000)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (company test driver Dave Hill)
7:57 --- 155.472 km/h -- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600hp/1558 kg (sport auto 05/1998)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino “Performance”, (Walter Rцhrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans (Autocar magazine 1997)

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8:02 --- 154.338 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino “Sport”, (Walter Rцhrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
8:03 --- 153.540 km/h -- Porsche 911 GT3, 360 hp/1391 kg (sport auto 08/1999)
8:04 --- 153.223 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo GT, 575 hp/1620 kg (sport auto 07/2000)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1, 580 hp/1820 kg (sport auto 12/2002)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino “Standard”, Walter Rцhrl (WHEELS 06/2004)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, 355hp/1461kg (sport auto 05/2005), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThr...fID=2&tID=36440
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h – Ruf CTR, >>> http://www.lad.lv/~martini/porsche/Videos/...urburgring1.wmv
8:06 --- 152.592 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG
8:06 --- 152.592 km/h -- Caterham 7 Superlight R, Robert Nearn
8:07 --- 152.279 km/h – Ferrari 550 Maranello, 485 hp/1724 kg (sport auto 06/1998)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Honda NSX-R, 320 hp/1467 kg (sport auto 08/2002)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Modena , 400 hp/1464 kg (sport auto 10/1999)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo SV, 520 hp/1590 kg (sport auto 12/1997)
8:10 --- 151.114 km/h – Aston Martin V8 Vantage (Top Gear feb,2005)
8:10 --- 151.114 km/h -- Chrysler Viper GTS, 411 hp/1567 kg (sport auto 10/1997)
8:10 --- 151.347 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 180R, 210 hp/650 kg
8:11 --- 151,274 km/h – Porsche Cayman (mfr.)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 hp/1651 kg (sport auto 04/2002)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- BMW M5 (E60), 507 hp/1844 kg (sport auto 12/2004), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThr...fID=2&tID=13956
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 hp/1324 kg (sport auto 05/1999)
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 hp (sport auto, 10/2004)
8:14 --- 150.120 km/h – Mercedes SL 65 AMG, 612 hp/2049 kg (sport auto 01/2005), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThr...fID=2&tID=23337
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h – Alpina Roadster S (sport auto 6/2005)
8:15* -- 149.818 km/h -- Holden GTS (2000), *estimated
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera 2 (Walter Rцhrl - WHEELS 06/2004)
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Ruf 911 CTR 2, 520 hp
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 hp (sport auto 11/1997)
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer V8 Topster, 450 hp/1557kg (sport auto 01/2005) http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThr...fID=2&tID=18724
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- Aston Martin DB9, 457hp (sport auto 11/2004) http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThr...fID=2&tID=10114
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX (best motoring video 14)
8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Aston Martin V12 Vanquish, 515 hp/1775 kg (sport auto 01/2003)
8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Porsche 911 Carrera (sport auto 06/2001)
8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera 2, 320 hp/1399 kg (sport auto 02/2001)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- BMW Z8, 400hp/1651 kg (sport auto 08/2000)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344hp (sport auto 09/2003)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380 hp/1350 kg (sport auto 06/1997)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- Audi RS6, 400 hp/ 1815 kg (sport auto 03/2001)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- BMW M3 E36, 321 hp (Autocar magazine 1997) heh
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h – Porche 993 GT3, Walter Rцhrl (Car magazine 10/1999)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M3 E46, 343 hp/1584 kg (sport auto 12/2000)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M Coupe, 321 hp/1445 kg (sport auto 10/1998)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- Mercedes-Benz C55 (sport auto07/2004)
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Aston Martin DB7 GT, 442 hp/1833 kg (sport auto 07/2003)
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera 4, 300 hp/1466 kg (sport auto 01/2002)
8:24 --- 147.143 km/h – Mercedes SLK 55 AMG, 360hp/1566kg (sport auto 04/2005), >>> http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThr...fID=2&tID=31462
8:24 --- 147.143 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (company test driver in 2004)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Audi RS4, 375 hp/1675 kg (sport auto 10/2000)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Corvette Callaway C12, 400 hp/1564 kg (sport auto 04/1999)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI, 300 hp/1466 kg (sport auto 11/1999)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (11/2002)
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG, 354 hp/1480 kg (sport auto 05/2001)
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Nissan 350Z, 280 hp/1526 kg (sport auto 10/2003)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- BMW M5, 400hp/1833 kg (sport auto 03/1999)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277hp
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera 2,285 hp/1452 kg (sport auto 01/1998)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG, 347 hp/1593 kg (sport auto 05/2000)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Audi S4 4.2 Avant, 344 hp/1826 kg (sport auto 11/2003)
8:30 --- 145.412 km/h -- Maserati Coupй Cambiocorsa, 320 hp/1593 kg (sport auto 10/2002)
8:31.--- 145.130 km/h -- 2006 CADILLAC STS-V, 440hp/1948 kg, >>> http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=101519
8:31.42 145.008 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 192hp
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW M Roadster, 321 hp/1410 kg (sport auto 09/1997)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG, 231 hp/1396 kg (sport auto 05/2003)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 252 hp/1386 kg (sport auto 12/1999)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Volkswagen Golf R32, 250hp
8:33.80 144.336 km/h -- Honda NSX (6-speed) Coupe, 276hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Acura NSX, 276hp
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- BMW Z3 Coupй 3.0i, 231 hp/1350 kg (sport auto 04/2001)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW M3 SMG E36, 321 hp/1515 kg (sport auto 03/1997)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupй, 426 hp/1635 kg (sport auto 02/2002)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220hp
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h – BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321hp
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h – Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupй (sport auto 07/1999)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h – Jaguar XKR Performance Kit, 363 hp/1703 kg (sport auto 09/2000)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h – Porsche Boxster ґ03, 228 hp/1370 kg (sport auto 02/2003)
8:36.42 143.604 km/h -- BMW M3 EVO, 321hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Maserati 3200GT, 370 hp/1614 kg (sport auto 09/2002)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/2001)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo, 218 hp/1290 kg (sport auto 03/2000)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.0 (sport auto 07/1991)
8:37.10 143.415 km/h -- Nissan GTR V, 350hp (Top Gear maagzine)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8, 400 hp/1592 kg (sport auto 12/1998)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.2, 280 hp/1386 kg (sport auto 08/1997)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL500, 306 hp/1852 kg (sport auto 12/2001)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h – Renault Megane Sport Trophy “sport auto” edition, 225hp/1371 kg (sport auto 6/2005), >>> http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThrea...fID=2&tID=40016
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296hp
8:39 --- 142.890 km/h -- Honda S2000, 240 hp/1275 kg (sport auto 01/2000)
8:39 --- 142.890 km/h -- Morgan Aero 8, 286 hp/1193 kg (sport auto 04/2003)

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8:40 --- 142.615 km/h -- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
8:40 --- 142.615 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic, 344 hp/1505 kg (sport auto 07/1997)
8:41 --- 142.342 km/h -- Aston Martin DB7, 420 hp/1847 kg (sport auto 01/1999)
8:41 --- 142.342 km/h -- Audi S3, 210 hp/1489 kg (sport auto 06/1999)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Audi S4, 265 hp/1592 kg (sport auto 08/1998)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Audi TT 1.8 quattro w. ESP, 225 hp/1461 kg, (sport auto 07/2001)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h – BMW Alpina B3 3.3, 280 hp/1495 kg (sport auto 07/1999)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 179 hp/796 kg, (sport auto 11/2000)
8:43 --- 141.797 km/h -- Honda Integra Type R (sport auto 12/2000)
8:44 --- 141.527 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C5
8:44.83 141.303 km/h -- ChevroletCorvette Coupe, 339hp automatic (Top Gear maagzine)
8:46 --- 140.989 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285hp
8:47 --- 140.721 km/h -- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 hp/1246 kg (sport auto 11/2001)
8:48.25 140.388 km/h -- Porsche 911 CarrerA, 285hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:49 --- 140.189 km/h -- Jaguar XKR Coupe, 363 hp/1703 kg (sport auto 07/1998)
8:49 --- 140.189 km/h -- Renault Clio Sport V6, 226 hp/1381 kg (sport auto 07/2001
8:49 --- 140.189 km/h -- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupй, 225 hp/1461 kg (sport auto 11/1998)
8:50 --- 139.925 km/h -- BMW Alpina B10 3.2, 260 hp/1600 kg (sport auto 04/1998)
8:50* -- 139.925 km/h -- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (sport auto ??/2000)
8:51 --- 139.661 km/h – Alfa Romeo 156 GTA, 231 hp/1350 kg (sport auto 05/2002)
8:51 --- 139.661 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG, 306 hp/1571 kg (sport auto 12/2001)
8:52 --- 139.398 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 430, 279 hp/1564 kg (sport auto 09/2001)
8:54 --- 138.897 km/h – Porsche Boxster, 204 hp/1325 kg (sport auto 01/1997)
8:54 --- 138.932 km/h – VW Golf GTI 25th Anniversary, 180 hp, 1320 kg (sport auto 01/2002)
8:55 --- 134.579 km/h -- Mini Cooper S Works, 200 hp (sport auto ??/2004)
8:58 --- 133.829 km/h -- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (sport auto 07/1997)
9:07 --- 135.576 km/h -- Mercedes SLK 230, 195 hp/1356 kg (sport auto 05/2001)
9:09 --- 135.802 km/h --Volkswagen Golf V6 4Motion, 204 hp/1455 kg (sport auto 01/2004)

References:
Horst von Saurma, sport auto magazine
Motor Commodore magazine, 25th anniversary edition,* = times estimated
Autocar 12/97 same-day test, driver Stephen Sutcliffe,
EVO magzine 07/2000, same day, different drivers
>>> http://www.jwhubbers.nl/ring/misc/print.php
Top Gear Magazine 10/97 same-day test, 2 professional drivers (best times listed:
>>> http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Media/ma...s/magazine.htm

Note that Top Gear solicited two professional drivers to test the cars above and each car's best times are shown. This, like all tests, are very driver-dependent. Someone who's not familiar with a particular car, just isn't going to be as fast in it. As an example, the other driver of the NSX recorded a time of 8m 57.13... but this included a full 360 degree spin where the driver was quoted as saying he never had to take it out of second gear!

Полную таблицу можно посмотреть здесь: http://www.bimmerwerkz.com/forum/bimmer-talk-motorsports-talk/bmw-track-times-38564.html
а также на Пистонхедс и Суперкарс нет.

Так что Супра хороший, почти универсальный (Drag/Track/Road) болид ;)

[Hellrazor]

Только БМВ Супра все равно даже в подметки не годится , 450 машина быстрее значительно едет!

[Anton-RUS!!!]

Спорить нехочу, но в верху списка тачки почти все из гоночных серий, а M3 GTR с трубчатым каркасом и одной седушкой если не ошибаюсь омологированная для гонок стоила больше 200 штук зелени :)

А мощности в 450 сил можно противопоставить низкую массу, вот Radical при мощности 320 сил едет быстрее GTR ;)

И если смотреть объективно то весь верх списка это мегакруто, быстрее чем Зонда, Макларен Ф1, XJ-220 и абсолютное большинство других не то, что серийных машин, но и гоночных! И это на абсолютно Стрит-Лигал машине...

[DаNTеS]

Хелл харош Бмв неедет сам знаеш че отказался против ТТ заезжать

[Winner]

[Серый Волк]

[Фьюжка-]

[Серый Волк]

Да о ней. Про привод знал, про двигло ошибся. Все равно было прикольно - типо спорт отодрал скромный хэтч с таким же двиглом тока без турбины.

[M.F.]

[Winner]

[M.F.]

7:10 --- 173.100 km/h -- BMW M3 GTR, 450 hp/1350 kg, Jцrg Mьller (practice 24hrs race 2003)
7:21 --- 168.163 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 650 PS (Autocar magazine 1997)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- BMW E46 M3 CSL (sport auto 08/2003)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 750hp, Herbert Schьrg (1997)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h – BMW M5 (E60), 507 hp
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- BMW M5 (E60), 507 hp/1844 kg (sport auto 12/2004),
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- BMW Z8, 400hp/1651 kg (sport auto 08/2000)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M3 E46, 343 hp/1584 kg (sport auto 12/2000
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M Coupe, 321 hp/1445 kg (sport auto 10/1998)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW M3 SMG E36, 321 hp/1515 kg (sport auto 03/1997)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h – BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321hp


Конечно М3 с меньшими лошадьми объезжает супру, но это уже, как вы любите говорить КОРЧ а не БМВ

И где в этом списке находится 36-ой кузов?

[Эскачетыревод]

[Winner]

[M.F.]

[Winner]

[M.F.]

Нет вы просто говорите чуть что "Корч", а я говорю, что если М3 в 450 сил едит как Супра в 650, то М3 по сравнению с супрой корч

Ничего против 36-ого кузова не имею, купэха так вапще самая красивая у 3-ей серии ИМХО, но вот супра то покруче будет !!!

[Hellrazor]